Comments on: The used Mac market… There’s a sucker born every minute.

By: Webterractive

Webterractive — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:09:59 +0000

I don’t blame the Mac users either I am sure they would like to get their money back for the expensive hardware they dropped it on. Can you image if Windows only ran on Microsoft Hardware?

By: Webterractive

Webterractive — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:08:40 +0000

Buying a Mac is the same as buying a PC. Except that when you can limit the hardware its not making things better or a better product its limiting the product. PCs of course are mass made and like American cars they loose their value. I would like to purchase a Mac, preferably used in order to recycle but some people think that you’re going to pay $1000+ or more for a “Refurbished” computer then just buying a new one. It doesn’t make sense to real world people but it does to Mac users.

By: JLRoberson

JLRoberson — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:39:11 +0000

“It’s funny though that there are two kinds of people; those who love and promote Macs, and those who tell you why they wouldn’t buy one. But there are never any people who love and promote PCs. :)”

There’s no need to. PCs aren’t a monolithic brand. They’re something you can make, repair, and upgrade yourself without having to be an IT person. My computer was built with parts acquired cheap on Ebay and works beautifully(and I use it for graphic/art work). And if something gets screwed up, I can replace the part cheaply again. I don’t have to think about resale. Oh, and I can be sure that just about every program I want will work on it.

I’ve worked with both. And Macs crash too. The difference is you don’t have to call in a tech to fix a PC.

Oh, and on the monopoly issue: Steve Jobs is one hell of a PR guy. How else do you reconcile that he controls not only the software but the hardware on Macs and nobody ever calls that a monopoly? And a tight, vertical, and incredibly profitable one too.

Manjoo is a starry-eyed idiot speaking from a position of overprivilege–just look at his recent article about Alice Waters. And I think Jobs paid him to write this article–or I would if it wasn’t the most feckless argument possible. A Mac’s worth is in what you get when you get rid of it? Uh…okay…

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By: Larry Borsato

Larry Borsato — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:39:52 +0000

I’ve never resold a computer either. I use them until they drop. But I pointed out that I did not pay a premium for my Macbook - I only buy laptops - but I would have because Macs are much better designed for users, and include all of the things that I really need.

That said, you should certainly stick to the products that work best for you. But if Macs actually help you work more effectively, as they do for me, then they are worth the price differential. A Chevy Cobalt and a Mercedes will both get you from point A to point B, but you pay more for the Mercedes for its design, comfort, and luxury. As I do for my Mac. PCs are functional; Macs are comfort and luxury.

It’s funny though that there are two kinds of people; those who love and promote Macs, and those who tell you why they wouldn’t buy one. But there are never any people who love and promote PCs. :)

By: Alec

Alec — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:05:59 +0000

Greg — I’m very much inclined to agree with you on that one. I, for one, have never sold a used PC. Have, on one or two occasions, bought them. One of them became an Asterisk PBX for a while, for example.

By: Alec

Alec — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:04:52 +0000

Steve - it might be specific to the Pavilion, I don’t know. The only dual monitor setup I use is with that PC.

By: Greg

Greg — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:51:05 +0000

I think you are all mad. I’ve never owned a computer (be it desktop or laptop) that I’ve bothered to resell. The justification for even wanting to resell is “This thing is long in the tooth and I want something better/faster”. Which is the same reason that by that point in time, the resale value is pretty much zero.

I sent a perfectly serviceable Barton Athlon 2600+ to a friend in the States for free (motherboard included) because I knew he’d get more value out of it than the $40 I might have been able to muster from eBay. Since it was a gift, but customs is always suspicious of technology, the customs declaration said, “obsolete and used computer parts with no resale value.” We still chuckle about that label. ;-)

The fact that you CAN buy used computers (Macs in particular according to the person Alec reacted to) on eBay means that my argument isn’t 100% concrete. But for most of us who are engaging in the debate here and today, I’m willing to bet that we’re not on an obsolete-computer-reselling frenzy. We use them until they have no resale value whatsoever.

Which is why the initial outlay of cash is still a factor.

Nothing starts a discussion better than a good ol’ Mac vs. PC debate. ;-)

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By: stevex

stevex — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:31:24 +0000

Is that a feature of the HP Pavilion? I don’t think it’s a Vista feature - I’m using a dual-monitor Vista setup right now and I just unplugged my 2nd monitor. Vista didn’t seem to notice, just left me with windows I couldn’t see. I know Thinkpad/Lenovo come with some software that helps manage external displays, maybe HP’s done the same.