Comments on: T-Mobile and the circling VoIP sharks http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/ A daily round table on the tech industry with experts and callers from all over the globe. Join us as we pick apart the news and get to the meat of what\'s happening out there. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:12:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Who’s In Charge Here? Carrier Battles for Revenue Sustenance : voiceontheweb.biz http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-1041603 Who’s In Charge Here? Carrier Battles for Revenue Sustenance : voiceontheweb.biz Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:46:22 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/#comment-1041603 [...] SaundersLog: My prediction?  As painful as this is for Truphone, they will ultimately prevail.  Logically applications and pipes are separate, and open markets demand interoperability. [...] [...] SaundersLog: My prediction?  As painful as this is for Truphone, they will ultimately prevail.  Logically applications and pipes are separate, and open markets demand interoperability. [...]

]]> By: Tamara http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-332794 Tamara Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:13:22 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/#comment-332794 Mobile VoIP operator, Yeigo Communications’ Rapelang Rabana: "This is a VoIP milestone. The victory over T-Mobile has set a global precedent. We will now see greater belief in the innovative service provided, and an even larger influx of international clientele subscribing to VoIP technology.” “VoIP calls are most certainly cheaper, especially with regards to international communication. It's no wonder network providers are starting to feel somewhat threatened by the VoIP presence in the market.” For more information on Yeigo - visit www.yeigo.com Mobile VoIP operator, Yeigo Communications’ Rapelang Rabana:

“This is a VoIP milestone. The victory over T-Mobile has set a global precedent. We will now see greater belief in the innovative service provided, and an even larger influx of international clientele subscribing to VoIP technology.”

“VoIP calls are most certainly cheaper, especially with regards to international communication. It’s no wonder network providers are starting to feel somewhat threatened by the VoIP presence in the market.”

For more information on Yeigo – visit http://www.yeigo.com

]]> By: John O'Prey http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-318703 John O'Prey Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:12:14 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/#comment-318703 Markus, As you now know well WiFiMobile is a stand alone 3rd party application that does not rely on the Nokia client. Markus,

As you now know well WiFiMobile is a stand alone 3rd party application that does not rely on the Nokia client.

]]> By: Markus Goebel's Tech News Comments http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-313702 Markus Goebel's Tech News Comments Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:28:36 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/#comment-313702 <strong>Mobile incumbents lock down alternative VoIP</strong> It's even worse now. The Open Mobile Terminal Alliance in London, a organisation of big mobile operators like Orange, Vodafone, T-Mobile and 3 has agreed to lock down Truphone and the like. No Truphone or Wifimobile in the first two years of a contra... Mobile incumbents lock down alternative VoIP

It’s even worse now. The Open Mobile Terminal Alliance in London, a organisation of big mobile operators like Orange, Vodafone, T-Mobile and 3 has agreed to lock down Truphone and the like. No Truphone or Wifimobile in the first two years of a contra…

]]> By: Dean Collins http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-291879 Dean Collins Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:37:05 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/#comment-291879 I've been told that Iowa involved blocking payments to arbitrage only offenders (eg terminating the call out of state after the redirection) and that voice delivered audio information services were not being blocked and were being paid. At least this was the information provided by the entity wanting to host my clients information service - as my client is at least 6 months away from delivering a product it didn't really matter eitherway as I'm sure a lot will change between now and then. Cheers, Dean Collins www.Cognation.net I’ve been told that Iowa involved blocking payments to arbitrage only offenders (eg terminating the call out of state after the redirection) and that voice delivered audio information services were not being blocked and were being paid.

At least this was the information provided by the entity wanting to host my clients information service – as my client is at least 6 months away from delivering a product it didn’t really matter eitherway as I’m sure a lot will change between now and then.

Cheers,
Dean Collins
http://www.Cognation.net

]]> By: Markus Goebel's Tech News Comments http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-291694 Markus Goebel's Tech News Comments Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:06:56 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/#comment-291694 <strong>T-Mobile + Truphone: Just the 1st of Hydra's heads</strong> Blocking Truphone is like trying to cut all of Hydra's heads. It's not only Truphone which is offering VoIP over 3G and over Wifi. It's also Fring, Wifimobile, Mobiboo, Yeigo, aql and thousands of other companies worldwide. In fact every SIP based V... T-Mobile + Truphone: Just the 1st of Hydra’s heads

Blocking Truphone is like trying to cut all of Hydra’s heads. It’s not only Truphone which is offering VoIP over 3G and over Wifi. It’s also Fring, Wifimobile, Mobiboo, Yeigo, aql and thousands of other companies worldwide. In fact every SIP based V…

]]> By: Alec http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-289821 Alec Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:55:26 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/#comment-289821 Got it. I understand your point Aswath. It's an interesting question of interpretation. In the case of the Iowa's, I've been chatting with some folks who wonder about placing enhanced services in Iowa, and simply billing back to the carrier rather than the customer. In my opinion, there's the nothing the FCC should do in that circumstance. The enhanced service could just as easily be for the use of people local to the 712 area code as well as those calling in from other area codes. So, should Ofcom regulate this? Don't know, and perhaps you're right that is the subject of the debate. Got it. I understand your point Aswath.

It’s an interesting question of interpretation.

In the case of the Iowa’s, I’ve been chatting with some folks who wonder about placing enhanced services in Iowa, and simply billing back to the carrier rather than the customer. In my opinion, there’s the nothing the FCC should do in that circumstance. The enhanced service could just as easily be for the use of people local to the 712 area code as well as those calling in from other area codes.

So, should Ofcom regulate this? Don’t know, and perhaps you’re right that is the subject of the debate.

]]> By: Aswath http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-289665 Aswath Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:38:43 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/#comment-289665 I am not sure whether you are missing it. It could as well be me. I am suggesting that the special termination charge is for terminating the call over the "air". At least that was that society's decision. Till now it was clear what is meant by "air", because the carrier and the service provider were the same. Now with the advent of wireless data service, they could be different. So who should get the preferential treatment. I am not suggesting that the answer is clear. After all the initial decision was arbitrary and so there has to be a social discussion. It is in the interest of carriers like T-Mobile to force a discussion, because naturally they will argue that the original intent was to reward the wireless carriers and not the service provider. So the onus is on Ofcom to reinterpret the rule for the changed environment, just like in the Iowa case, FCC has to clarify what some see as a clear, cynical misinterpretation of the law. Whatever the merits of the above reasoning may be, I do not think VoIP being stampled upon in this case. I am not sure whether you are missing it. It could as well be me. I am suggesting that the special termination charge is for terminating the call over the “air”. At least that was that society’s decision. Till now it was clear what is meant by “air”, because the carrier and the service provider were the same. Now with the advent of wireless data service, they could be different. So who should get the preferential treatment. I am not suggesting that the answer is clear. After all the initial decision was arbitrary and so there has to be a social discussion. It is in the interest of carriers like T-Mobile to force a discussion, because naturally they will argue that the original intent was to reward the wireless carriers and not the service provider. So the onus is on Ofcom to reinterpret the rule for the changed environment, just like in the Iowa case, FCC has to clarify what some see as a clear, cynical misinterpretation of the law.

Whatever the merits of the above reasoning may be, I do not think VoIP being stampled upon in this case.

]]> By: Martyn Davies http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-289611 Martyn Davies Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:06:36 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/#comment-289611 It's all about threats to the cash cow, and we've caught T-Mobile at it before. I put some commentary on VoIP User earlier today: http://www.voipuser.org/forum_topic_9985.html. It’s all about threats to the cash cow, and we’ve caught T-Mobile at it before. I put some commentary on VoIP User earlier today: http://www.voipuser.org/forum_topic_9985.html.

]]> By: Alec http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/comment-page-1/#comment-289593 Alec Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:56:41 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2007/06/18/t-mobile-and-the-circling-voip-sharks/#comment-289593 Aswath, I think the situation is a little different here in that the AT&T / Iowa story is solely about toll arbitrage between networks. In the Truphone situation, they're legitimately terminating a call on a mobile handset. They have switches, etc... it just happens that the technology being used to transport the last 10 meters of the call is WiFi. Their costs are lower than T-Mobile's... because of WiFi. Am I missing something? Aswath, I think the situation is a little different here in that the AT&T / Iowa story is solely about toll arbitrage between networks. In the Truphone situation, they’re legitimately terminating a call on a mobile handset. They have switches, etc… it just happens that the technology being used to transport the last 10 meters of the call is WiFi. Their costs are lower than T-Mobile’s… because of WiFi.

Am I missing something?

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