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		<title>By: Warrantless ISP information requests -- Alec Saunders .LOG</title>
		<link>http://saunderslog.com/2006/10/04/the-isp-privacy-pledge/#comment-72020</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrantless ISP information requests -- Alec Saunders .LOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At the time, he wrote a piece critical of this pledge, pointing out that it would interfere with investigations into child abuse.Â  He&#8217;s right.Â  It would, because the warrant process is a high bar to cross.Â  At the same time, many others, including me, objected to the idea that police might be able to conduct warrantless searches of ISPs in violation of subscriber privacy. Individuals have a right not to be subject to police surveillance indiscriminately.Â  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] At the time, he wrote a piece critical of this pledge, pointing out that it would interfere with investigations into child abuse.Â  He&#8217;s right.Â  It would, because the warrant process is a high bar to cross.Â  At the same time, many others, including me, objected to the idea that police might be able to conduct warrantless searches of ISPs in violation of subscriber privacy. Individuals have a right not to be subject to police surveillance indiscriminately.Â  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Baal</title>
		<link>http://saunderslog.com/2006/10/04/the-isp-privacy-pledge/#comment-50167</link>
		<dc:creator>Baal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also respectfully disagree with Mr. Goldberg.  My ISP is in the
business of providing me with bandwidth, maybe an email account and
nothing else.  It is none of their damned business what I do online.

That said, however, only a fool would rely on their ISP to guarantee
their privacy. I rely on the laws of mathematics to guarantee my
privacy; if the authorities want my information, they're gonna
damn well have to break my crypto to get it. I use a nymserver for
my email--all email I send out goes through a chain of mixmaster
remailers to the nymserver.

Even the nymserver operator doesn't know who I am, and has no way
of finding out. My incoming email goes to an anonymous message
pool; even if the authorities somehow track back my reply block,
they won't get a real email address, just a link to encrypted
newsgroup messages they cannot read. No one reads my email without
my consent--and I'm not about to give consent, period.

Even as far as getting a judicial warrant is concerned--this is
supposed to be oversight?!  The three magic words to say to a
judge to get a search warrant rubber-stamped are: "child porn" and
"terrorism."

The police do not have a unblemished reputation--perjury is rampant;
witness the term "testilying." Police lie all the time--when's
the last time anyone saw a police officer disciplined--let alone
prosecuted--for lying, even under oath?  The police are notorious
for not disclosing exculpatory evidence to the defence.  The most
recent cases of this can be seen with respect to Operation Ore--the
massive 'child porn' bust a few years back.  Evidence has now
come to light that the police contaminated the evidence, misled
prosecutors and judges alike as to the nature of the evidence--I
could practically write a book on the subject.

A net-acquaintance of mine recently commented that he knew
first-hand of a case in the UK where even the police officer who
made the application was astonished that a warrant to search for
child porn was granted, the case provided to the judge being so
transparently bogus.

Colour me cynical, but I have ZERO faith in the police and the      
judiciary with respect to the protection of my interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also respectfully disagree with Mr. Goldberg.  My ISP is in the<br />
business of providing me with bandwidth, maybe an email account and<br />
nothing else.  It is none of their damned business what I do online.</p>
<p>That said, however, only a fool would rely on their ISP to guarantee<br />
their privacy. I rely on the laws of mathematics to guarantee my<br />
privacy; if the authorities want my information, they&#8217;re gonna<br />
damn well have to break my crypto to get it. I use a nymserver for<br />
my email&#8211;all email I send out goes through a chain of mixmaster<br />
remailers to the nymserver.</p>
<p>Even the nymserver operator doesn&#8217;t know who I am, and has no way<br />
of finding out. My incoming email goes to an anonymous message<br />
pool; even if the authorities somehow track back my reply block,<br />
they won&#8217;t get a real email address, just a link to encrypted<br />
newsgroup messages they cannot read. No one reads my email without<br />
my consent&#8211;and I&#8217;m not about to give consent, period.</p>
<p>Even as far as getting a judicial warrant is concerned&#8211;this is<br />
supposed to be oversight?!  The three magic words to say to a<br />
judge to get a search warrant rubber-stamped are: &#8220;child porn&#8221; and<br />
&#8220;terrorism.&#8221;</p>
<p>The police do not have a unblemished reputation&#8211;perjury is rampant;<br />
witness the term &#8220;testilying.&#8221; Police lie all the time&#8211;when&#8217;s<br />
the last time anyone saw a police officer disciplined&#8211;let alone<br />
prosecuted&#8211;for lying, even under oath?  The police are notorious<br />
for not disclosing exculpatory evidence to the defence.  The most<br />
recent cases of this can be seen with respect to Operation Ore&#8211;the<br />
massive &#8216;child porn&#8217; bust a few years back.  Evidence has now<br />
come to light that the police contaminated the evidence, misled<br />
prosecutors and judges alike as to the nature of the evidence&#8211;I<br />
could practically write a book on the subject.</p>
<p>A net-acquaintance of mine recently commented that he knew<br />
first-hand of a case in the UK where even the police officer who<br />
made the application was astonished that a warrant to search for<br />
child porn was granted, the case provided to the judge being so<br />
transparently bogus.</p>
<p>Colour me cynical, but I have ZERO faith in the police and the<br />
judiciary with respect to the protection of my interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Dad</title>
		<link>http://saunderslog.com/2006/10/04/the-isp-privacy-pledge/#comment-48845</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I told you, you should publish a glossary!  

You are indiscreet in your opening paragraph.  Take care!

Dad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I told you, you should publish a glossary!  </p>
<p>You are indiscreet in your opening paragraph.  Take care!</p>
<p>Dad</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
		<link>http://saunderslog.com/2006/10/04/the-isp-privacy-pledge/#comment-48783</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet Service Provider, Ma!  It's your Shaw Cable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet Service Provider, Ma!  It&#8217;s your Shaw Cable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mum</title>
		<link>http://saunderslog.com/2006/10/04/the-isp-privacy-pledge/#comment-48552</link>
		<dc:creator>Mum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does ISP stand for?  Inc ome Security Programs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does ISP stand for?  Inc ome Security Programs?</p>
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