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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s About Hate, Not Neutrality</title>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
		<link>http://saunderslog.com/2006/08/24/its-about-hate-not-neutrality/#comment-38557</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, at least here, "hate speech" is a narrowly defined set of actions limited to incitement to hate, incitement to violence, and incitement to genocide.  You can't be prosecuted for hate crimes unless your speech falls into one of those areas, which is why it's relatively rare that hate crimes cases proceed.  But you know, we're also a very politically correct country on these issues. It's far more likely that you will experience public condemnation for statements deemed non-inclusive, rather than a court case.

You CAN have a debate on these issues, here, so long as it's done respectfully. 

In the recent gay marriage case, for example, as many people spoke against the position taken by some of the established Christian churches on this issue, as spoke for it.  Our own Prime Minister is a conservative Christian, who stood with church goers on this issue.  Not only is it possible to have a respectful discussion on these topics, but we have done so, without triggering prosecutions.  There were a few people who personally received black eyes from the press and the public for some of the more incendiary things said, but by and large the debate was typically Canadian.

I, for one, am happy with our laws against hate crimes.  I think they cut the right balance between the right of the individual to speak freely, and society's need to ensure that all members can live free from fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, at least here, &#8220;hate speech&#8221; is a narrowly defined set of actions limited to incitement to hate, incitement to violence, and incitement to genocide.  You can&#8217;t be prosecuted for hate crimes unless your speech falls into one of those areas, which is why it&#8217;s relatively rare that hate crimes cases proceed.  But you know, we&#8217;re also a very politically correct country on these issues. It&#8217;s far more likely that you will experience public condemnation for statements deemed non-inclusive, rather than a court case.</p>
<p>You CAN have a debate on these issues, here, so long as it&#8217;s done respectfully. </p>
<p>In the recent gay marriage case, for example, as many people spoke against the position taken by some of the established Christian churches on this issue, as spoke for it.  Our own Prime Minister is a conservative Christian, who stood with church goers on this issue.  Not only is it possible to have a respectful discussion on these topics, but we have done so, without triggering prosecutions.  There were a few people who personally received black eyes from the press and the public for some of the more incendiary things said, but by and large the debate was typically Canadian.</p>
<p>I, for one, am happy with our laws against hate crimes.  I think they cut the right balance between the right of the individual to speak freely, and society&#8217;s need to ensure that all members can live free from fear.</p>
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		<title>By: John McAdams</title>
		<link>http://saunderslog.com/2006/08/24/its-about-hate-not-neutrality/#comment-38499</link>
		<dc:creator>John McAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your point about incitement is a good one, but I can't agree with you about "hate speech."

In practice, "hate speech" is merely speech that one disagrees with.

In Canada, one can get in trouble for saying unkind things about homosexuality, but there (as in the U.S.) it's open season to attack Christianity.  Whites can't attack blacks, but blacks can say nasty things against whites.

While "incitement" can be narrowly defined, "hate speech" is in the eye of the beholder, and frequently the eye of the beholder is itself full of hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point about incitement is a good one, but I can&#8217;t agree with you about &#8220;hate speech.&#8221;</p>
<p>In practice, &#8220;hate speech&#8221; is merely speech that one disagrees with.</p>
<p>In Canada, one can get in trouble for saying unkind things about homosexuality, but there (as in the U.S.) it&#8217;s open season to attack Christianity.  Whites can&#8217;t attack blacks, but blacks can say nasty things against whites.</p>
<p>While &#8220;incitement&#8221; can be narrowly defined, &#8220;hate speech&#8221; is in the eye of the beholder, and frequently the eye of the beholder is itself full of hate.</p>
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		<title>By: //engtech &#187; Newsflash: You can&#8217;t block content on the Internet.</title>
		<link>http://saunderslog.com/2006/08/24/its-about-hate-not-neutrality/#comment-33370</link>
		<dc:creator>//engtech &#187; Newsflash: You can&#8217;t block content on the Internet.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#62;&#62; Alex Saunders reminds us that it&#8217;s about &#8220;hate&#8221; not &#8220;net neutrality&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &gt;&gt; Alex Saunders reminds us that it&#8217;s about &#8220;hate&#8221; not &#8220;net neutrality&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
		<link>http://saunderslog.com/2006/08/24/its-about-hate-not-neutrality/#comment-33334</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bill, I visited your site, and you know what?  You're nutty as a fruitcake.  Anyway, feel free to post in the comments, but don't expect me to leave them unedited.  I won't willingly link back to you and your goofy propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bill, I visited your site, and you know what?  You&#8217;re nutty as a fruitcake.  Anyway, feel free to post in the comments, but don&#8217;t expect me to leave them unedited.  I won&#8217;t willingly link back to you and your goofy propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill White</title>
		<link>http://saunderslog.com/2006/08/24/its-about-hate-not-neutrality/#comment-33313</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to smack Jews with reality, but I never actually told anyone to kill RW (well, at least via the internet). ;-D

I posted his address. I then was asked, on the radio, "What if someone kills him" and said "I hope they do. He deserves to be killed."

And I stand by that. They should line you guys up and shoot you right next to each other.

But, there is no website calling for the death of RW.

That said, I thank you for driving 76,000 Canadians to my website, (removed).com, which has not been taken off the internet.

You have made this big enough that we may actually get some revolution out of it.

LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to smack Jews with reality, but I never actually told anyone to kill RW (well, at least via the internet). ;-D</p>
<p>I posted his address. I then was asked, on the radio, &#8220;What if someone kills him&#8221; and said &#8220;I hope they do. He deserves to be killed.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I stand by that. They should line you guys up and shoot you right next to each other.</p>
<p>But, there is no website calling for the death of RW.</p>
<p>That said, I thank you for driving 76,000 Canadians to my website, (removed).com, which has not been taken off the internet.</p>
<p>You have made this big enough that we may actually get some revolution out of it.</p>
<p>LOL</p>
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