Comments on: The IMS Gulag http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/ A daily round table on the tech industry with experts and callers from all over the globe. Join us as we pick apart the news and get to the meat of what\'s happening out there. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:12:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: IP Convergence: Beyond VoIP, Beyond Cost Savings http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/comment-page-1/#comment-9109 IP Convergence: Beyond VoIP, Beyond Cost Savings Mon, 15 May 2006 20:37:47 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/#comment-9109 <strong>FMC Forum of the America's draws International interest...</strong> The FMC Forum of the Americas was held in Miami last week, drawing a small but diverse international crowd from countries such as Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, Barbados, Trinidad... FMC Forum of the America’s draws International interest…

The FMC Forum of the Americas was held in Miami last week, drawing a small but diverse international crowd from countries such as Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, Barbados, Trinidad…

]]> By: Alec http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/comment-page-1/#comment-4688 Alec Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:50:17 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/#comment-4688 I think you nailed it Patrick when you said that the fact that voice is trending to zero will hurt the pureplay VoIP guys, not IMS. From my POV as an application provider, what I want is to have access to the voice network. What that means long term is that the network operator has to open up. Otherwise, they're easy meat for someone who has an open network. I think you nailed it Patrick when you said that the fact that voice is trending to zero will hurt the pureplay VoIP guys, not IMS. From my POV as an application provider, what I want is to have access to the voice network. What that means long term is that the network operator has to open up. Otherwise, they’re easy meat for someone who has an open network.

]]> By: Patrick Mullen http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/comment-page-1/#comment-4679 Patrick Mullen Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:17:39 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/#comment-4679 Hi Alec, Some of our guys are working in some research labs for IMS offerings (and at least in the US, they are still working on it, no matter what you read from vendors) and the conversations I have had with people that probably know what they are talking about is that IMS will actually make it easier for 3rd parties to create things that can be plugged into the pipe carriers distribution footprint. As for the bundles being attractive, just because certain providers don't offer attractive bundles doesn't mean consumers don't want them provided from the same carrier, maybe just not that specific carrier. The bundles now might be tied together, but they are not really integrated. IMS helps with actually bringing services together. It also allows agility and improves the time it takes to bring a new service to the consumer. IMS isn't going to hurt VoIP and the pureplay companies at all, but the fact that voice is trending to zero and the only value in voice is to cement the customer relationship for other services (data/video) is what will really hurt the pure plays. If a carrier can offer you voice/video/data/wireless with good service at a overall lower cost, then of course consumers want all of the services. That is how the bundles will win, lower overall cost. Just because some companies today are not doing it right doesn't mean that it won't happen. I have read that the Verizon Quad Play with FTTH will be around $100. That is hard to beat. Hi Alec,

Some of our guys are working in some research labs for IMS offerings (and at least in the US, they are still working on it, no matter what you read from vendors) and the conversations I have had with people that probably know what they are talking about is that IMS will actually make it easier for 3rd parties to create things that can be plugged into the pipe carriers distribution footprint.

As for the bundles being attractive, just because certain providers don’t offer attractive bundles doesn’t mean consumers don’t want them provided from the same carrier, maybe just not that specific carrier. The bundles now might be tied together, but they are not really integrated. IMS helps with actually bringing services together. It also allows agility and improves the time it takes to bring a new service to the consumer.

IMS isn’t going to hurt VoIP and the pureplay companies at all, but the fact that voice is trending to zero and the only value in voice is to cement the customer relationship for other services (data/video) is what will really hurt the pure plays.

If a carrier can offer you voice/video/data/wireless with good service at a overall lower cost, then of course consumers want all of the services. That is how the bundles will win, lower overall cost. Just because some companies today are not doing it right doesn’t mean that it won’t happen. I have read that the Verizon Quad Play with FTTH will be around $100. That is hard to beat.

]]> By: Technological Musings http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/comment-page-1/#comment-4627 Technological Musings Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:59:03 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/#comment-4627 <strong>IMS: Centralized Vs. P2P</strong> I have a feeling that we are not going to see an end to this kind of discussions. While on one side, huge corporations are getting ready for the IMS world, the other side refuses to join them and are... IMS: Centralized Vs. P2P

I have a feeling that we are not going to see an end to this kind of discussions. While on one side, huge corporations are getting ready for the IMS world, the other side refuses to join them and are…

]]> By: Vijay http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/comment-page-1/#comment-4607 Vijay Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:01:15 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/#comment-4607 Hi Alec, Just when cruising through this post realized that you had responded to my comment. Someone really out to work on something to keep track of comments... but anywho.. The answer to your question is that, there is no definite answer. But given that eventually the value of the network would drain and they will be seeking for new services, there is no way to replenish the need without opening up the network. Also, just the fact that so many closed systems, including the source of solaris opening up, just gives hope.. and just that, for the future of the IMS network. I guess, in one word, its just that - Hope. In another perspective, if IMS doesnt open up, it would be way too easy for P2P SIP based networks to beat the living lights out of the sturdy IMS network. So they wouldnt have much choices for soon. As I said, the IMS architecture is splendid. The way the policies get defined is what makes all the difference. Maybe they will go easy on it, and thats one part of the system which is not yet carved on stone anyhow. Hi Alec,

Just when cruising through this post realized that you had responded to my comment. Someone really out to work on something to keep track of comments… but anywho..

The answer to your question is that, there is no definite answer. But given that eventually the value of the network would drain and they will be seeking for new services, there is no way to replenish the need without opening up the network. Also, just the fact that so many closed systems, including the source of solaris opening up, just gives hope.. and just that, for the future of the IMS network. I guess, in one word, its just that – Hope.

In another perspective, if IMS doesnt open up, it would be way too easy for P2P SIP based networks to beat the living lights out of the sturdy IMS network. So they wouldnt have much choices for soon.

As I said, the IMS architecture is splendid. The way the policies get defined is what makes all the difference. Maybe they will go easy on it, and thats one part of the system which is not yet carved on stone anyhow.

]]> By: Alec http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/comment-page-1/#comment-4478 Alec Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:16:41 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/#comment-4478 Adam -- it's not obvious that a walled garden is imminent, but perhaps you remember the story of the fox and scorpion, and the river crossing? A fox meets a scorpion on the river bank. The scorpion asks to ride across the river on the fox's head, and the fox refuses. "You'll sting me, and I'll die", says the fox. The scorpion points out that if he were to do that, they would both die. Eventually the fox consents and they start out. Part way across the river the scorpion does sting the fox, and as the fox is about to drown, he asks they scorpion why he did it. The scorpion answers "it's my nature". Adam — it’s not obvious that a walled garden is imminent, but perhaps you remember the story of the fox and scorpion, and the river crossing? A fox meets a scorpion on the river bank. The scorpion asks to ride across the river on the fox’s head, and the fox refuses. “You’ll sting me, and I’ll die”, says the fox. The scorpion points out that if he were to do that, they would both die. Eventually the fox consents and they start out. Part way across the river the scorpion does sting the fox, and as the fox is about to drown, he asks they scorpion why he did it. The scorpion answers “it’s my nature”.

]]> By: Alec http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/comment-page-1/#comment-4477 Alec Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:13:24 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/#comment-4477 Frank, absolutely agree with what you're saying. I simply want a more open network. I want choice -- of applications, (why can't I choose which voice mail service provider I want?), terminals and so on. If an IMS carrier came to market offering that, then I'd be happy. I don't believe they will do it though. Frank, absolutely agree with what you’re saying. I simply want a more open network. I want choice — of applications, (why can’t I choose which voice mail service provider I want?), terminals and so on. If an IMS carrier came to market offering that, then I’d be happy. I don’t believe they will do it though.

]]> By: Alec http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/comment-page-1/#comment-4476 Alec Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:08:50 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/#comment-4476 Kyle, Thanks for the tip. I've been a happy subscriber to Telecom Ottawa's 3 mbit service (34.95/month) for some time. Didn't realize they had a 5 mbit service. The biggest reason I switched from Sympatico was that they email servers at the time were completely unreliable. Some times it would be two or three days before I could access mail. Also, I owned my own DSL model, so the $10/month rental didn't make sense. Rogers doesn't have EVDO, true. And if you can get EVDO coverage (here in Ottawa all you can get is 1xRT) it's great. I am personally excited by UMTS. Choice is really the nub of the issue for me. Kyle,

Thanks for the tip. I’ve been a happy subscriber to Telecom Ottawa’s 3 mbit service (34.95/month) for some time. Didn’t realize they had a 5 mbit service. The biggest reason I switched from Sympatico was that they email servers at the time were completely unreliable. Some times it would be two or three days before I could access mail. Also, I owned my own DSL model, so the $10/month rental didn’t make sense.

Rogers doesn’t have EVDO, true. And if you can get EVDO coverage (here in Ottawa all you can get is 1xRT) it’s great. I am personally excited by UMTS.

Choice is really the nub of the issue for me.

]]> By: Alec http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/comment-page-1/#comment-4474 Alec Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:55:43 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/#comment-4474 Paul, red was chosen simply to contrast. No other reason. But yes, I agree completely that one of the most important opportunities is the directory. And I agree, and have thought for a long time, that the directory should be open. Identity is a foundational element of any communications system. Paul, red was chosen simply to contrast. No other reason. But yes, I agree completely that one of the most important opportunities is the directory. And I agree, and have thought for a long time, that the directory should be open. Identity is a foundational element of any communications system.

]]> By: Alec http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/comment-page-1/#comment-4473 Alec Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:52:46 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/03/23/the-ims-gulag/#comment-4473 Vijay, I don't see the incentive for the operator to open up an IMS system once it has come to market. Do you? Vijay, I don’t see the incentive for the operator to open up an IMS system once it has come to market. Do you?

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