Comments on: More thoughts on PhoneGnome http://saunderslog.com/2005/10/13/more-thoughts-on-phonegnome/ A daily round table on the tech industry with experts and callers from all over the globe. Join us as we pick apart the news and get to the meat of what\'s happening out there. Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:18:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Alec http://saunderslog.com/2005/10/13/more-thoughts-on-phonegnome/#comment-364 Alec Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:38:39 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2005/10/13/more-thoughts-on-phonegnome/#comment-364 Your point is well taken Aswath. I am not sure, but I believe that Unlimitel will do the stupid network thing. At least, that's what I am counting on. Stay tuned for the investigation... Your point is well taken Aswath. I am not sure, but I believe that Unlimitel will do the stupid network thing. At least, that’s what I am counting on. Stay tuned for the investigation…

]]> By: Aswath http://saunderslog.com/2005/10/13/more-thoughts-on-phonegnome/#comment-363 Aswath Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:00:09 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2005/10/13/more-thoughts-on-phonegnome/#comment-363 To be pedantic about it, in this case, Caller ID is provided by Unlimitel; you have not really eliminated the "carrier". As for voice mail, PG can do that only if Unlimitel delivers the media associated with the second call. But, based on a quick look at Unlimitel, it looks like they offer only a call waiting indication like many other VoIP service providers. That means, you can not depend on PG's voice mail for the call waiting call. Even though I started off saying, pedantic note, this is an important point. Almost all VoIP providers take the "stupid network", inserted themselves and made it inot the same old "intelligent network". A stupid network would have delivered the second call as well, because it would not have known better. Alas, there is no hue and cry about this artificially created "intelligent network". To be pedantic about it, in this case, Caller ID is provided by Unlimitel; you have not really eliminated the “carrier”. As for voice mail, PG can do that only if Unlimitel delivers the media associated with the second call. But, based on a quick look at Unlimitel, it looks like they offer only a call waiting indication like many other VoIP service providers. That means, you can not depend on PG’s voice mail for the call waiting call.

Even though I started off saying, pedantic note, this is an important point. Almost all VoIP providers take the “stupid network”, inserted themselves and made it inot the same old “intelligent network”. A stupid network would have delivered the second call as well, because it would not have known better. Alas, there is no hue and cry about this artificially created “intelligent network”.

]]> By: Alec http://saunderslog.com/2005/10/13/more-thoughts-on-phonegnome/#comment-361 Alec Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:41:13 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2005/10/13/more-thoughts-on-phonegnome/#comment-361 Yup. I haven't figured out quite how to do this yet, but I may go the route of provisioning a second VoIP line. A local carrier, Unlimitel, can give me a DID, and unlimited local calling throughout most of south eastern Ontario for under $10/month. If I point that DID at the PhoneGnome, then I can have it all. Otherwise, it's just like having an old fashioned answering machine. Yup. I haven’t figured out quite how to do this yet, but I may go the route of provisioning a second VoIP line. A local carrier, Unlimitel, can give me a DID, and unlimited local calling throughout most of south eastern Ontario for under $10/month. If I point that DID at the PhoneGnome, then I can have it all. Otherwise, it’s just like having an old fashioned answering machine.

]]> By: Aswath http://saunderslog.com/2005/10/13/more-thoughts-on-phonegnome/#comment-360 Aswath Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:27:46 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2005/10/13/more-thoughts-on-phonegnome/#comment-360 I agree that the most novel thing in PG is that the VoIP id can be built from the phone number. Nobody thought of this before because others were thinking of eradicating PSTN. For example, SIPPhone, (sells Call-in-one, a similar device) uses a phone number like id didn't think of using a real phonenumber. It is well known that the current PG is built on SIPURA 3000, which can switch calls from PSTN to VoIP. I see how call return can be done outside of the carrier network. Indeed I could do with the cordless phone I have. But how can I avoid Caller ID? If I need voice mail for the call waiting call, then isn't it necessary to have voice mail with the carrier? I agree that the most novel thing in PG is that the VoIP id can be built from the phone number. Nobody thought of this before because others were thinking of eradicating PSTN. For example, SIPPhone, (sells Call-in-one, a similar device) uses a phone number like id didn’t think of using a real phonenumber.

It is well known that the current PG is built on SIPURA 3000, which can switch calls from PSTN to VoIP.

I see how call return can be done outside of the carrier network. Indeed I could do with the cordless phone I have. But how can I avoid Caller ID? If I need voice mail for the call waiting call, then isn’t it necessary to have voice mail with the carrier?

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